Stock OT Toyo = Soft like Charmin = Total blowout. What's next?

[Clack]

7,800 miles, less than 300 on dirt roads and my driver's rear popped like a water balloon yesterday. Got the emergency pull over warning and watched the tire pressure drop from 37 to 10 in a half mile. I was bombing the dirt road back from my cabin which had recently been "graded" and had rocks and debris on it from the work but I've never had a blowout on this road in 17 years. When I pulled it off, there was a one inch long gash that was ripped through the belts like a chainsaw through a garden hedge.

Guess I'm going to 275/70 r18 earlier than expected. I know these are factory tires designed for comfortable test drives but I'm hesitant giving Toyo another shot. Need a snowflake rating, good offroad traction given the previous requirement, and tough sidewalls and tread. What's the call? Immediately to mind are KO3s, WildPeaks, and Duratracs. Appreciate your thoughts!

 

[nonamex]

How about Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T?

 

[RickBullotta]

Add Nitto Grapplers to your consideration

 

[serbiansizzle]

I think any actual all-terrain tire that you can buy from the major brands will be a big upgrade, including a Toyo AT3 that’s not the factory tire as it’s something like P rated.

I like the Wildpeaks and Bajas for the additional side wall chunk, although both run heavier than other similar offerings. Both do look really good tho.

 

[Clack]

Hadn't considered the Mickey Thompsons but now I'm intrigued. One thing I saw said they're hard to balance which sometimes means lack of quality control. Nittos I don't know much about, seem to be on-road focused. Will dig in a bit more. Have to have them mounted by Friday, clock is ticking!

 

[Bluegill]

I've heard the stock factory version of the Toyo AT3 tires are a bit on the soft side and don't stand up well to abuse.

Nitto Ridge Grapplers are great tires - a bit on the heavier side. I ran a set on my last Land Rover.

I also ran 2 sets of Cooper Discoverer STT Pros on a past Land Rover - great tire, serious tire, heavy too.

If you're just needing the tires for fire roads, don't forget the good old BFG ATs. They are a great all-around tire (except mud), extremely durable & long-lasting, and not too heavy.

Also think of load range - do you need E range, or will C or D suffice? It's a real mixed bag of what load ranges are available on what tire at what size.

For my tire size (35x12.5x17) the BFG AT is 68 lbs vs. 76 lbs for the Nitto Ridge Grappler (E load range). I went with the Toyo AT3s at 59 lbs each but in load range C. I've always gone load range E in the past but so far, I've been very happy with these Toyos.

For my next tire I am considering the Mickey Thompson Baja Legend MTZ. In 35" size it's a D-load-range and 66 lbs. Also a bit taller than the typical 34.5" actual height at 34.76"

 

[BackRdRnr]

Mickey Thompson Tires are from the Goodyear/Cooper factory. I like them (if they don't balance well just request another individual tire) Don't forget Michelin/Goodrich they are tough tires. The Toyo photos I have seen look like a weak case sidewall to me. If you want tough performance the Kevlar sidewall Goodyear would be a consideration. The cost gets high when you have failures just as well buy a great tire.

 

[serbiansizzle]

I've heard the stock factory version of the Toyo AT3 tires are a bit on the soft side and don't stand up well to abuse.

Nitto Ridge Grapplers are great tires - a bit on the heavier side. I ran a set on my last Land Rover.

I also ran 2 sets of Cooper Discoverer STT Pros on a past Land Rover - great tire, serious tire, heavy too.

If you're just needing the tires for fire roads, don't forget the good old BFG ATs. They are a great all-around tire (except mud), extremely durable & long-lasting, and not too heavy.

Also think of load range - do you need E range, or will C or D suffice? It's a real mixed bag of what load ranges are available on what tire at what size.

For my tire size (35x12.5x17) the BFG AT is 68 lbs vs. 76 lbs for the Nitto Ridge Grappler (E load range). I went with the Toyo AT3s at 59 lbs each but in load range C. I've always gone load range E in the past but so far, I've been very happy with these Toyos.

For my next tire I am considering the Mickey Thompson Baja Legend MTZ. In 35" size it's a D-load-range and 66 lbs. Also a bit taller than the typical 34.5" actual height at 34.76"

The AT3s are great. I think they are getting a bad rep from the stock tires, which are nerfed from the factory.

I looked at tires comparisons across all brands and they seemingly come in lighter when comparing similar load tires. Based on your pictures, you’re probably subjecting your tires to more punishment than most GX owners, so that’s certainly a vote of confidence.

 

[Clack]

I decided to give the Mickeys a try. They're heavy, but so are the WildPeaks and these have beefier sidewalls and should be more puncture resistant. A tall and relatively skinny tire at 33.4x11.0 with big lugs and a 3 peak snow rating --> right up my alley. I'll report back on initial impressions after the weekend.

 

[RIDEaCANYON]

Yea, these stockers make me nervous just seeing how quick they are showing ware. But is what it is for the joke of a SL tire they put on them from the factory. That being said, we are currenlty running 315/70/17D Toyo AT3's on our '18 JKU and very happy so far with them at about 6k miles. Some slight offroad, lots of rough 70+ mph on road (Houston), on the beach, and even had to take it off the road and up over the curb at a more than comfortable speed avoiding an avid texter that wasn't paying attention. They also do great in the rain. I've been a Ridge Grappler guy for a long time on my Power Wagon, but wanted something with a treadlife warranty. We'll definitely be going to Toyo AT3 in 275/70/18E on the GX here before hitting any real trails in CO but want to stick with stock rims and fit a matching spare. Also try to stay with an OEM "look" to our rides, then surprise folks when we out perform. Kinda the offroad version of a "sleeper" hotrod

 

[serbiansizzle]

Yea, these stockers make me nervous just seeing how quick they are showing ware. But is what it is for the joke of a SL tire they put on them from the factory. That being said, we are currenlty running 315/70/17D Toyo AT3's on our '18 JKU and very happy so far with them at about 6k miles. Some slight offroad, lots of rough 70+ mph on road (Houston), on the beach, and even had to take it off the road and up over the curb at a more than comfortable speed avoiding an avid texter that wasn't paying attention. They also do great in the rain. I've been a Ridge Grappler guy for a long time on my Power Wagon, but wanted something with a treadlife warranty. We'll definitely be going to Toyo AT3 in 275/70/18E on the GX here before hitting any real trails in CO but want to stick with stock rims and fit a matching spare. Also try to stay with an OEM "look" to our rides, then surprise folks when we out perform. Kinda the offroad version of a "sleeper" hotrod

That’s what I went with in the 275/70/18 for an OEM+ look. They ride great and no noticeable noise increase over the Charmins the vehicle came with.

 

[FJMainiac]

Glad that is working out for you. Also going with the 275/70/18 Toyo AT3 on stock rims when I replace the factory (20,000 miles now). Initially I was concerned at the E-rating but feedback from others seems to support to noticeable impact on ride quality.

 

[UTHORNS76]

Everyone seems to rave about KO3s.

 

[DanDanTMM]

That’s what I went with in the 275/70/18 for an OEM+ look. They ride great and no noticeable noise increase over the Charmins the vehicle came with.

That’s on stock OT rims and stock 2024 suspension? I’m think doing the something similar when my stick tires are ready to replace. I’m just at 10K on my OT+ now. I ran BFG K02s on my 4Runner for years and were pleased with them until they got close to needing replacement as the runner got hard and they didn’t perform as well on wet pavement. Was thinking of the redesigned K03s for the replacement.

I had a couple of flats on the stock 4Runner tires due to gravel road and after K02s didn’t have that issue anymore as they were 275 E-rated tires.

 

[serbiansizzle]

That’s on stock OT rims and stock 2024 suspension? I’m think doing the something similar when my stick tires are ready to replace. I’m just at 10K on my OT+ now. I ran BFG K02s on my 4Runner for years and were pleased with them until they got close to needing replacement as the runner got hard and they didn’t perform as well on wet pavement. Was thinking of the redesigned K03s for the replacement.

I had a couple of flats on the stock 4Runner tires due to gravel road and after K02s didn’t have that issue anymore as they were 275 E-rated tires.

Correct - stock everything. Spare fits perfectly as well.

 

[VTranger]

Duratrak that’s it end of story! Had similar blowout on my stock GX tires right after a service at around 7k miles. I’ve run KO2s and Duratraks on work trucks from Colorado to New England- duratrak is the best all terrain for wet/gravel. I heard KO3 were to improve wet performance, KO2s in snow/ice no bueno, duraktraks all around great (good siping but not a dedicated snow).

 

[thoff25]

Duratrak that’s it end of story! Had similar blowout on my stock GX tires right after a service at around 7k miles. I’ve run KO2s and Duratraks on work trucks from Colorado to New England- duratrak is the best all terrain for wet/gravel. I heard KO3 were to improve wet performance, KO2s in snow/ice no bueno, duraktraks all around great (good siping but not a dedicated snow).

I ran KO2s on my 4Runner in Colorado for 7 years, no accidents. They do great in the snow. It’s a very popular tire out here.

 

[John_LI_NY]

That sounds a lot more like a simple puncture and not a blowout. A blowout is when there is an instant loss of all pressure, generally due to overheating from under inflation and/or overloading, or a large impact. Air leaking out due to a puncture or cut, especially if it took half a mile to drop to 10 psi is not a blowout. Going from 38 psi to 0 psi in 10 feet, that would be a blowout.

In any case, there have already been good suggestions here. The Duratrac seems like the best for snow and ice, otherwise it’s very close between the popular options.

 

[Warrantero]

Look at the Bridgestone A/T Ascents, good A/T tire, 3 peak rated. I have a set on my GX 550, quiet ride.

 

[incognito.gx]

Glad that is working out for you. Also going with the 275/70/18 Toyo AT3 on stock rims when I replace the factory (20,000 miles now). Initially I was concerned at the E-rating but feedback from others seems to support to noticeable impact on ride quality.

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