Suspension Wiggle Jiggle (1 Viewer)

I've owned a suburban and tahoe. Yes, they were great at hauling kids and a pleasure to drive on the road but were a bit large for most of the off road trails I drive on and had little articulation. I bought the GX for the off road abilities and will gladly give up road manners to off road abilities.

To me the GX makes little sense if you don't get off the pavement.
 
I will say I haven't driven the new Tahoe / Suburban / Yukon / Escalade, but journalists seem to say it has the best body on frame ride available. I rented a new Silverado from UHaul and it does ride much better than our cars. Clearly somebody can engineer these trucks to ride well, but Toyota has never been that company, even with the fancy Citroen-derived hydraulic suspension in the LXs.
Thing is, there is so much more than just on road ride quality. You just said it, it has been tuned for a better ride onroad, they have less suepsnion travel + air suspension + magnetic shocks. I have never had USA product, but im pretty sure those shocks do not last long, maybe I am wrong.
Second, while those full sizes suv rock on street , they are not very well at home off roading, maybe some can correct me too. I understand the engeniering of toyota suspenion and when you actually push hard the suspension its when it shines. Last month we did a test drive in the Lx i know this is a gx forum but hear me out. I own a 2026 gx 550 overtrail since march, but my father was looking to replace the 2024 gls450 , he has driven the gx and is not totally convinced, but then we went ahaead with our friends from lexus and did an extended test drive + off road test drive. Yes, off roading test drive in the same track we took the gx later.
The way the AHC suspension responds to road irregularities is un comparable to any suv we have owened, and when you select mts auto it on steroids. it raises the suspensions and soft the valving even more.
Thats when i had the idea of doing some testing on a rough road with the gx
first normal
then comfort and the
mts auto.
the way the suspension responds when mts auto is extremely different it isolates even more the road vibrations and imperfefctions.
 
Thing is, there is so much more than just on road ride quality. You just said it, it has been tuned for a better ride onroad, they have less suepsnion travel + air suspension + magnetic shocks. I have never had USA product, but im pretty sure those shocks do not last long, maybe I am wrong.
Second, while those full sizes suv rock on street , they are not very well at home off roading, maybe some can correct me too. I understand the engeniering of toyota suspenion and when you actually push hard the suspension its when it shines. Last month we did a test drive in the Lx i know this is a gx forum but hear me out. I own a 2026 gx 550 overtrail since march, but my father was looking to replace the 2024 gls450 , he has driven the gx and is not totally convinced, but then we went ahaead with our friends from lexus and did an extended test drive + off road test drive. Yes, off roading test drive in the same track we took the gx later.
The way the AHC suspension responds to road irregularities is un comparable to any suv we have owened, and when you select mts auto it on steroids. it raises the suspensions and soft the valving even more.
Thats when i had the idea of doing some testing on a rough road with the gx
first normal
then comfort and the
mts auto.
the way the suspension responds when mts auto is extremely different it isolates even more the road vibrations and imperfefctions.
So you’re just driving around in MTS Auto!? I thought that was only for slow speeds/4LO situations
 
I appreciate the very good responses and info, and totally get it. I understood it was going to be a truck ride before I bought. Just comparing to my F-150 and feeling the ride is crazy jiggly in comparison. That said, I am still madly in love with the styling so I'll be putting up with it! Just wondered if others had identified some magic fix; like certain shocks or stabilizers, or whatever. Thanks again.
 
Yes maasthor I figured it out and bought a Range Rover a couple of weeks ago. I got almost $6K more on the trade than I paid for the GX and the Land Rover dealer sold it for $6K more than they gave me. Like you, I loved the looks of the GX, but I could not come to terms with the lack of comfort or the bumpy ride. As has been stated on this forum many times it appears Lexus is seeking a different market than the luxury ride they were associated with for many years. I'm really glad so many people are enamored with the GX but it was not working for my wife and I and I'm very happy to have gotten rid of it. Best of luck to you and I hope you will learn to enjoy the ride.
 
So you’re just driving around in MTS Auto!? I thought that was only for slow speeds/4LO situations
I discoverreed this rrreadiing thee serrvice Manual + some testiing.
Like i´ve said before, i oown a 2022 J150 Prado and in that geen of vehicles mts was only available in 4LO.
This new Gen Vehicles have a differeent ooff rooad controol.
MTS is available in h4 and l4.
in H4 which is our normal driving we have
auto, mud , deep snow and mud...
Auto is basically a mode which makes it predict and adjuust how its gonna distribute traction control.
and makes adjustmnets during driving, actually softening the shock absorbers and mking it less bumpy.

I had the chance to drive the Land rover defender hse dynamic p400 with 20in wheels back to back against my gx550 overtrail. No one in my family could say the defender wwas better...
maybe it didnt jiggle but it was bumpy and tire pressures where in the correct settings.

just saying.
 
I will say I haven't driven the new Tahoe / Suburban / Yukon / Escalade, but journalists seem to say it has the best body on frame ride available. I rented a new Silverado from UHaul and it does ride much better than our cars. Clearly somebody can engineer these trucks to ride well, but Toyota has never been that company, even with the fancy Citroen-derived hydraulic suspension in the LXs.

Agree. There are plenty of things GM doesn't do well, but they usually get their ride quality dialed in on their truck platforms. Our Canyon with factory 1" lift is more composed and settled everywhere compared to the GX, and even the 3/4 ton HD truck has a better highway ride, only unsettled with expansion joints and washboard.
 
My OT+ ride is reminiscent of my K2500 Suburbans and even my single cab F250’s ride of years ago.

Body-on-frame, short 112 inch wheelbase and an extraordinary high 9K tow rating / 1.5K payload rating is, in my opinion, a significant driver of the suspension design and how the GX rides.

I recently did my first light (2K lb) tow and the GX was absolutely unfettered. As it should have been. Based on my prior towing with the K2500 I’ll venture this will tow quite well up to around 5K lb to 6k lb. Ultimately payload limit and short wheel base will limit its practical towing limit.

Is it more giggly than I expected? Yes. Is it bad? No.

I think they traded ride for off tow capacity with a short wheelbase.

My $0.02.
 
If you have a level or lift on a LC / GX550 the panhard rod gets out of proper alignment & can at times move the rear axle side to side versus correctly up/down. This kit corrects & gets rid of the side to side wallow some drivers feel.

 
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Lots of posts already on this subject. Many former Lexus owners are upset or unhappy w/ GX550 non- Lexus ride. The overall GX suspension is designed for off road articulation & is true to the vehicle. A Tahoe, Sub, Escalade, Denali is a ‘on road designed SUV’ & bad comparisons. The prior GX460 ride was atrocious in how soft it was w/ Lexus trying to beat the Prada out of it. It over leaned in turns, over pitched in braking, & loaded poorly towing. GX550 fixes all of that w/ true off road capability as #1 priority. Certainly the new GX is a run for Lexus in styling @ younger buyers using the LC 250 platform. We also have people posting that have different priorities. At purchase some people love the stock look, some want larger AT tires, or a level as their #1 priority over the ride, while others build their’s for true off road. Once you start changing things you become a test pilot if the ride isn’t what you want.
Focus on:
  • Variable rate weight Factory Lexus springs have significant suspension articulation are a compromise to the ride quality, as Lexus even puts different springs for different trim to assist. Unladen some feel the GX wallows a bit, but a bit of weight firms them up. Lots of Peak & Westcott levels have been put on out there as they put that spring under pre-tension (changing spring variable rate) & some have found their wobbly concerns go away. Pretension does firm up the street ride & clearly not perfect answer for hard core off road. If you do a level or lift & get that side-to-side sway that’s more then likely your Panhard rod geometry, & adding the BOTCK kit made a big difference on my rig.
  • Good news, Shock dampening can be controlled by the driver. Shocks are what deals with the suspension rebound to the vehicle’s weight in movement. May be as simple as just playing w/ selection that gives the ride you like. That’s what it’s there for..
  • Rim & tire sizes impact ride. Smaller, O-ring looking sidewalls don’t absorb road conditions the way smaller rims w/ wider sidewalls & transmit a rough ride. Shocks aren’t going to fix that. Tire type & air pressure might help w/ 22”. Add moving to AT tires that if selected wrong can be much heavier & stiffer. Lots of tire choices, get a pro to help find D load & lighter weight. Tires to fix a ride concern creates compromises.
  • Air pressure can be tactically used for ride tuning, but be careful as you have load requirements that need certain pressure levels for tire life & safety.
 
Lots of posts already on this subject. Many former Lexus owners are upset or unhappy w/ GX550 non- Lexus ride. The overall GX suspension is designed for off road articulation & is true to the vehicle. A Tahoe, Sub, Escalade, Denali is a ‘on road designed SUV’ & bad comparisons. The prior GX460 ride was atrocious in how soft it was w/ Lexus trying to beat the Prada out of it. It over leaned in turns, over pitched in braking, & loaded poorly towing. GX550 fixes all of that w/ true off road capability as #1 priority. Certainly the new GX is a run for Lexus in styling @ younger buyers using the LC 250 platform. We also have people posting that have different priorities. At purchase some people love the stock look, some want larger AT tires, or a level as their #1 priority over the ride, while others build their’s for true off road. Once you start changing things you become a test pilot if the ride isn’t what you want.
Focus on:
  • Variable rate weight Factory Lexus springs have significant suspension articulation are a compromise to the ride quality, as Lexus even puts different springs for different trim to assist. Unladen some feel the GX wallows a bit, but a bit of weight firms them up. Lots of Peak & Westcott levels have been put on out there as they put that spring under pre-tension (changing spring variable rate) & some have found their wobbly concerns go away. Pretension does firm up the street ride & clearly not perfect answer for hard core off road. If you do a level or lift & get that side-to-side sway that’s more then likely your Panhard rod geometry, & adding the BOTCK kit made a big difference on my rig.
  • Good news, Shock dampening can be controlled by the driver. Shocks are what deals with the suspension rebound to the vehicle’s weight in movement. May be as simple as just playing w/ selection that gives the ride you like. That’s what it’s there for..
  • Rim & tire sizes impact ride. Smaller, O-ring looking sidewalls don’t absorb road conditions the way smaller rims w/ wider sidewalls & transmit a rough ride. Shocks aren’t going to fix that. Tire type & air pressure might help w/ 22”. Add moving to AT tires that if selected wrong can be much heavier & stiffer. Lots of tire choices, get a pro to help find D load & lighter weight. Tires to fix a ride concern creates compromises.
  • Air pressure can be tactically used for ride tuning, but be careful as you have load requirements that need certain pressure levels for tire life & safety.
I have read all this and the best feedback I can give you is that there is so much more than just that. The lexus ride quality is something very real.
In my family we have had the Light duty platform since 2005 with the J120 Prado x 2 and then we had the J152 Lexus Gx460 in 2010..
Yes it was very soft, too soft that even with kdss there was too much motion sickness.
No one was able to tolerate it so it was sold in just 1 year.
We didn't have any more BOF vehicles until 2022.
We had Pilots, mdx's, we had Range rover sport Velar, range rover sport and a discovery 5 + BMW x6 ....
So we had pure monocoque vehicles for more than 12 years...
Once we had to sell the Discovery we bought a J150 Land Cruiser Prado kdss non adaptive dampers and coil spring all around.
This boy is not plush but extremely well controlled that While my comment can be non sense for many It's a joy to drive carve corners.
I enjoyed it much more than my Lexus Nx300 turbo.

The thing is, that we bought the Gx550 overtrail in Panama. Driving this dude against my J150 Prado...

They do not compare... The Gx is at low speed parking lot very soft kinda floaty over the speed bumps.. once it grabs speed it starts jiggling....
The Prado does not jiggle...
And the prado does not have adaptive dampers just KDSS....

I also have all terrain tires in the prado
265/65R17 116T xl falken wildpeak at3w....32psi cold
Vs
265/70R18 115S toyo open country at3.... 33psi cold

The Gx can be driven in all the modes like you said and non eliminate the vibrations from this frame and i do drive them back to back on the sme streets.
So the jiggle + the extremely not uniform pavement the gx is weird....

So I like many things from this Gx550 but they can say its more focuse off road?
I did a test on a washboard?
Prado could reach speed up to 50mph stock suspension...
The Gx could only manage 30 mph...
Its tooooo softly sprung and it crsshed in the front and fhe back and them rebounds and compresses all the way ..
This suspension is more towards overlanding ... Slow speeds off roading...
And even in those conditions its no settled like the previous J150.
The good thing is that i love the daily of the prado it is truthfull to what it is... He doesnt wanna hide anything...
Gx is trying too hard to do everything.... And it doesnt look to well doing all.

I love it... But if i had to i wouldnt stay with the stock shocks... It really need better shocks.

My father bought the Lx600 and we actually did a test drive back to back against out gx550 on the same roads and off roading. Yes off roading in a test drive...
Bro the hydraulic suspension of the Lx is almost imposible to describe how it isolates the road...
My god... Its coming on september i will do my best for a comparison of the gx vs the lx.
 

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